Saturday, September 25, 2010
Joan Didion-Why I Write
Wednesday, September 22, 2010
Kevin,Chrissy,Todd and Greg
Group Writing: Tecia, Brooke, Julie, Kenny & Ben!
2. We believe te game is the fact that he purposely inserts errors in his writing to show that unless you are clearly looking for errors they willl most likely go unnoticed. He was testing people when he wrote this article by putting 100 errors in it.
3. He does this to prove that everyone makes errors, even the people that we think know it all.
4. We believe he locates the errors of both the reader and the writer because the writer makes the errors but the reader does not catch them while reading unless they are looking for them.
Williams Questions
1. Williams is saying that errors in grammar are only important when people notice them. They happen all the time and because of that it's only that person's fault to an extent. Content is always going to be the most important thing. He makes his point by sprinkling errors all over the paper to see how much the readers will notice without being told.
2. The game he explains is that he intentionally put errors in the paper to make people see that, when reading for content, errors go unnoticed.
3. Anyone can make mistakes, but when a published writer does it people don't notice because they're not looking for them. When students make mistakes it is obviously noticed because the teacher is looking for them, red pen in hand.
4. That depends on who the writer is, a student will get blamed for an error, while we think a famous writer probably made the mistake on purpose to make a point. He tracks the errors from the page to the book to the teacher and so on....
Group Assignment (Drew, Kyle, Laura, Kelsey, Gabby, Ellie)
2.) The "game" is to go back and circle all of the errors and send it into the editor.
3.) Shows that even people who study grammar as a living makes mistakes.
4.) He located errors in the reader because they are one's who locate the errors in other people's work.
Williams Questions
1) Errors are everywhere, most people over look them, errors are different to different people
2)To see if while reading his article anyone found errors but, were not necessarily looking for them.
3)Basically, to drive his point home that errors are everywhere and inevitable.
4)Both, because the error has to start somewhere. For example the person who wrote the paper could pass it to someone else etc.
The Phenomenology of Error (Aarin F)
After reading this excerpt from The Phenomenology of Error, I do not even know where to begin. There were some very valid points made, but personally I see a lot of this as pure babbling on Williams' part.
Williams' did open my eyes to all of the different errors that someone can make, but he did it in a way that I do not like. Reading this was kind of intimidating and made you feel like you didn't know any of the words in the English language. Even though he explained it in a very complex way, he did get his point across.
Tuesday, September 21, 2010
Williams Error (Week 4 Blog)
error reading
ERROR : GABBY
Errors (BG)
My interpretation of 'The Phenomenology of Error'
1) The comparison between grammatical and social blunders was pretty funny. It also made a good point. In relation to what really matters in this life I would much rather forget a comma every once in a while then do something really embarrassing like face plant in the mud while walking to class.
2) The content and context of whatever is being said is always more important then the (lack of) grammar. I can assume we've all seen Facebook statuses that are something to the effect of "I hte my life every1 blames every thing on mi (DRAMA)!!!"
Though posts like these are over dramatic and become very annoying I have to remind myself that someone is trying to communicate some type of distress and I should pay attention to them (if I care about them).
3) Though I agree with Williams that grammatical errors are hardly ever a crisis (unless you're commanding a robot to do you're bidding by text message and you accidentally text your robot "Feed the dog Greg" instead of texting your brother). There are mistakes that do bother me. In all honesty they shouldn't. I understand they're not a big deal and I've never pointed them out to anyone unless asked to proof read their writing. The one that bothers me the most though, is when people use fifty "dots" is their ellipses....................................... Ellipses have three "dots" or four if their thought trails off at the end of sentence.
4) I like the point Williams made about who decides what is "correct grammar". English is a living language so it really is always changing. Williams uses an example of an editor who rejected the use of impact as a verb though it has been used as such since 1601. Besides the fact that our language is always changing we also need to factor in dialect. Believe it not, the way people speak in Kent is different then the way people speak where I am from in Athens, Ohio even though it's in the same state and only three hours away. The localized dialect of Kent is that of the "Great Lakes" accent sounding similarly to that of people in Michigan or upper parts of Illinois. The general population of Athens has an Appalachian accent. Neither is better or worse, it's just different.
Language is fascinating and complex but it loses so much beauty when it's picked apart just for the sake of grammar. If everyone used perfect grammar all the time we wouldn't have books like Naked Lunch by William S. Burroughs or Ulysses by James Joyce (talk about run on sentences). By breaking a few rules every now and then in writing it allows for more creative thought for more free thinking.
Greg Knapp- Phenomenology of Error
Joseph Williams: "The Phenomenology of Error", points out some very interesting points in grammar and error. Williams explains what he believes about errors and how people go about interpreting them. Errors to me are only a minor problem when looking at a paper. I believe that comprehension, clarity, and understanding are much more important than errors. If a teacher looks for errors more than what the writer is saying, then the meaning behind the paper is lost. Also, if a student learns of a teacher that grades more on grammar, that student may start to focus more on worrying about where to put a comma rather than if his or her paper even makes sense. I think that some teachers are blinded by grammar when there is a well-written paper and they don't even realize it.
Williams also talks about how one person would call something an error while another would not. This can be very confusing for anyone. I have had a similar case where a teacher would say that my rough draft was fine and another would find multiple errors throughout my paper. When Williams speaks of the game, he is talking about the errors that are in the paper. He states that there are about 100 errors in the paper; errors that the reader probably didn't even notice. Williams just reinforces his statements about errors. There is no way that errors will just magically go away and never be seen again. There will always be errors and people who can't stand them.
The Phenomenology of Error
I was a little confused when he began to speak of how we have to be skeptical of answers we get when we ask for help about a possible error we think we may have made. The way I take it, is that when we ask others to check our own paper odds are you will end up with even more errors then you started with. If this is true why do we do peer editing, and why in High School did I waste all those days in class having a minimum of three people checking over my paper and giving their own opinion on my work?
Overall this is not one of my favorite readings so far.
Williams error
I think the "game " that williams is talking about is when we write we just write how we feel and what we want to say and if we want it to be spelled a different way then we do it. Williams was just trying to explain that writing is a game between the writer and the reader. The reader reads through a book and tries to pick out all the grammatical mistakes that the writer has made and tries to see who is the winner at the end.
I think Williams would show them violating their own rules to show that the rules of writing can be easily broken and even the biggest and best writers in the world could make grammatical mistakes because it happens to everyone. I don't think that anyone can write or type up a paper with no grammatical errors.
This story was really confusing and hard to understand , and I think it was like that because of the grammatical errors that were throughout this story, or were they grammatical errors, were they intentional?
Monday, September 20, 2010
Am I a Writer? Erin
The Phenomenology of Error -Julie K
WilliamsErrors
Now, I am at the bottom of 158 where Williams is ending his rant on the standards of grammar. He had done his research and proved that the student is not the only person making the so called "errors." Authors such as E. B. White, Orwell, and many others have made errors that have been overlooked simply because they are the wise writers of their times. Critics don't look at their writing as closely. What Williams is trying to say is that when reading their work, people don't see the writing as something that can be corrected simply because they are the standards from which we work from. Not only is he saying that they messed up, but he also blames them for the students error because that is where their knowledge on the subject originated.
By the end of this article I was very intrigued. I, in fact, had not noticed any grammatical errors at all. This verifies that William had made some valid points. I had not been looking for errors and was not reading with a critical eye, therefore they had simply gone unnoticed. If i were to go through the article again, I bet would find wrong uses of grammar, simply because I was told that there were wrong uses of grammar.
Errors
Williams Error
Errors
Williams is a bit upset though, that errors in grammar are not offensive, because they will not get fixed. If no one cares about the mistakes made in grammar, there is no emotional investment in trying to correct them.
Williams slips in, throughout the essay the very errors he is speaking about. He is interested in how many errors people find the first read through, and what else they would find upon re-readig it.
What I found interesting was the way Williams tracks down the origin of the error. It's a long chain of people screwing up grammar, it's never just one person making the mistake.
ERROR
Sunday, September 19, 2010
Error
It would drive me crazy dealing with all these errors. I dreaded reading this, some points were good but it was just too much about errors. I know you said before this is for teachers but if i was a teacher i would not enjoying reading about mistakes. When i read i just read it, I never really notice peoples mistakes that is why I hate peer editing peoples papers because I am not that much of help to them. I did not like this reading I wish it was more like the guy who sold all his stuff on eBay that kept my attention.
Error
Errors
I agree with you when you said this reading is a little more difficult to read than the previous ones. By just reading the first sentence I could tell that it wasn’t going to make that much sense to me, so I got out the questions and tried to answer them as best I could. When reading pp. 155-158 I noticed that he was trying to get the point across that some errors are more important than others. I also learned in these pages that even the people who write grammar books make mistakes. In these pages it shows examples of people breaking the grammar rules as they state the exact rule. I think he makes his point by doing this because obviously the rule isn’t important if you’re breaking it while you state it. Also, it shows that if you don’t know an error you’re obviously not going to spot it. I also think that Williams showed the evidence of grammarians violating their own rules because it shows that errors are going to happen regardless of who you are. The “game” that he talks about isn’t really a game it is more of a test. Williams planted errors throughout the paper to see if anyone noticed them. If you had found any then you should send them in to see what error was recognized the most. I think that William locates errors in the reader because if the reader never knew about a specific error than they would have never noticed it, which would have made it correct. What it comes down to in the end is that it all depends on who is reading your paper and what errors they are looking for. That is the way I interpreted this reading.